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of parents can explain to their child, oh you know we met in this kind of circumstance. it's very fantastical -- it's a fantastical story to tell. >> really is. she's going to love it. kaylee dedrick and robert thank you for joining us. i'm glad the situation has been resolved in your favor. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you for having us. >> chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in" -- >> sit down and shut up. >> chris christie threatened with a bill that would make any new jersey governor quit if they run for president. >> you will be the governor of new jersey at the end of this? >> that's my plan. >> a top lawmaker pushing the plan joins me.
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and donald trump loses the support of the pga but gains support elsewhere. >> everyone has a right to their opinion. that's what a primary is about. >> plus, rand paul equates slavery and taxes and the fallout from bill cosby's apparent admission that he gave a woman quaaludes and had sex with her. "all in" starts now. >> good evening, from new york i'm chris hayes. top new jersey democrats want to help chris christie focus on running for president. they want to force him to quit the post he has effectively been treating as a part time job -- governor of new jersey. loretta weinberg and ray blesniak want a bill to force christie and any future new jersey governor to step down when they run for president. they have a good case. christie reportedly spent more than half of the year outside of his home state. barely stepped foot in new jersey since announcing his presidential run last tuesday spending most of last week in new hampshire. and this week aides say he is attending a conference in idaho
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known as summer camp for billionaires. getting the bill passed won't be easy since christie will be short but there is frustration over his disappearing act and not just among elected officials. a poll last week found 76% of new jersey voters believe he is more concerned with his political future than governing the state. then the fact that some of christie's more recent policy position s seem to be more closely to the median iowa caucus voter than the new jersey resident. last year under pressure from iowa pork producers, christie vetoed legislation that would have banned the practice of confining pregnant pigs in crates. one of the number seemingly driven by national aspirations, including the decision to pull his state out of common core.
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christie's team dismissed the bill to force him to resign as silly nonsense and stress head is never disconnected from doing his job as governor, an argue christie made last month. >> maybe years ago, before cell phones and smartphones and skype and all of this stuff, maybe you could really be disconnected but you can't now. when i go in the room you all go with me. it's not like new jersey ever leaves me. i'm in iowa or new hampshire, south carolina and you are asking me about something that is happening here. it's not like i can ever leave. >> joining me the architect of the bill to force christie to step down. loretta wineberg. your response to the governor calling this silly nonsense? >> i think it is worth a discussion for a variety of reasons. we have the strongest chief executive, the strongest office of governor of i believe any state in the united states under
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our constitution. you can not govern new jersey by cell phone. we have major problems here. we are talking about under funded pension, depleted transportation trust fund the fact we have a higher unemployment rate than any other state in our region. big, big problems. we need a governor here to be negotiating face to face across the table. not by cell phone. >> a cynic would say you don't like the governor before don't like him now. she running for president so you are trying to hamper his ability to run for president. what's your response? >> i'm trying to make it easier to run for president. he doesn't have to worry about new jersey anymore. resign and run for president. you touched on something equally important to the absences to the mayor issues that we have here and that's how christie is appealing to the very ultra conservative primary voter in the republican primary. that's not the average resident
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in new jersey. we see it all the time. you talked about the issue about pregnant pigs. i'd like to talk about the issue of access for women for reproductive health that he has zeroed out of the budget which he then goes to one of the states where he is campaigning and says see, that proves i'm a pro--life governor. >> you feel he is essentially using new jersey as you know laboratory ambitions in what he is doing as governor? >> absolutely. what he is doing as governor is not taking care of the issues before the residents of new jersey. but appealing to the primary voters in new hampshire and iowa and idaho and every other place he's -- >> what do you say to people who say this happens all the time. the president of the united states has one of the most difficult jobs in the entire world, the most powerful person in the world. when he runs for re-election he he has to do both.
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he is on the campaign trail and also the president of the united states. george w. bush ran in 2000 as a sitting governor. this is something that happens pooh and people find a way. >> there are five states that are a resign to run law. it is not new territory. arizona, florida, hawaii -- two others couple other states that i don't recall right now. all of which have different forms of a resign to run. we are talking about the chief executive of our state, the major problems that we have -- plus the fact of course the taxpayers are paying for his executive protection which he should have. >> of course. >> but i don't want to pay for them in idaho. >> i keep thinking about, obviously sandy was this real iconic moment that christie governorship. there's a lot of praise in the
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beginning period, a lot of criticism of how the state has dealt with the aftermath of it but i think amidst all of this god forbid some natural disaster were to happen in new jersey, some emergency that required the kind of immediate sustained hands on chief executive. >> skype. he just told us he has a cell phone and skype. like thinking you can raise your family by being far away and oversee what is going on in your family for cell phone. maybe a couple of days or week but not beyond that. >> part of the issue strikes me is one, how long the time horizon is how much term he has left and how much time he is going to have to spend outside of the state. his people said we are going to live in new hampshire, they have to for the next six months. >> he already lived there last week with. it's not like we have just minor issues to deal with here. you have to negotiate face to
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face with our legislative leadership, with our labor representatives on the whole issue of the under-funded pension. you can't do that part time by phoning in. >> you could text someone sit down and shut up. less effective. senator loretta weinberg thank you very much. there is something amazing going on with scott walker with his eye on the gop voters sought to position himself to the far right including renouncing his support for citizenship. twice in the past few months news stories reported that walker is saying things in private that are odd but the immigration stance he claims to espouse in public. "new york times" scholar said that despite his rhetoric he is not going nativist i'm pro immigration and moore said he had misspoken and in fact the phone call never tooik took
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place. this reportedly due to some conversations with some walker aides. no call never happened. meanwhile, in march, the "wall street journal" reported that during a private dinner new hampshire republicans, walker said he supports a path to citizenship, despite his public comments. even though walker's comments were confirmed by three people present at the dinner the walker campaign disputed the account. joining me is the host of the majority report. this is the ultimate thing to do. you have this problem and there are different places they encounter. this how do you do both? this seems a novel approach tell them both what they want to hear. >> this is not that unique. we remember the story of candidate barack obama talking about renegotiating nafta and then goolsbee heading to canada to say, don't take it too seriously.
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>> good point. >> with that said there's nothing as radioactive in the republican party than the issue of immigration. people really need to understand this. i think they don't. it is like why is this happening with trump and all of this stuff why this issue? you have to understand how viscerally -- that is george bush too, in 2005 he had a big problem with this because they were trying to push immigration reform and there was backlash that went unnoticed in the mainstream press towards george bush. look here's the problem fundamentally the republicans have and it's best illustrated by that famous moment that michele bachmann had a dual production of her response to barack obama's, president obama's state of the union address a couple of years back. where she is talking in to one camera and there's another camera going to the rest of america. one was a simultaneous for the tea party and one for the rest of the country. >> that's right.
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>> you can not speak to the base of the republican party and not look insane to the rest of the country and vice-versa. this is the problem that walker's running in to. they are all going to run in to on some remember in 2006 he came out and endorsed as county supervisor the mccain kennedy immigration reform. >> absolutely. that's absolutely betrayal. >> heresy. >> with you hear big business supports immigration reform. they spend money and belong the to coalitions that support it. you don't see them leverage the weight in favor of it. they care in a general sense. but we saw how they went to batter for, say, tpp. even the xim bank. there are issues where they will bring the hammerer down.
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this is not one they do. they will tolerate a lot of double speak. >> great example. >> as purchase as i they want reform they realize this is a problem. >> make or break. >> they are afraid to go ahead of this. they have seen the power of nativism. nobody's cracked the code. they're trying. you can see the republican candidates trying to distance the themselves from donald trump. >> this is an important point. it's true. no one cracked the code. george bush tried to crack the code with mccain-kennedy. it was waterloo for him. essentially for his essentially for his presidency. that was the end.
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he couldn't get his party to support it. huge uprising. you saw mccain himself had to go back and renounce his own support for the bill in 2008. if 2012 perry says let's be cop passionate. they are not monsters. absolutely destroyed. mitt romney basically has to take the hard right line in 2012. marco rubio. >> exactly. >> we have seen casualty after political casualty on this issue. >> it's a problem for him. patron saint ronald reagan was -- three or four million people. >> they did. i don't think they can work around this. the interesting thing is to see the republican candidates talk about the tone that donald trump
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is taking. on substance there is no daylight there. >> my other big question is obviously the 47% moment with mitt romney. are we going to have more omits like that? will we have moments with donors as the politicians are in a position to speak to two cameras all the time is this that's a fascinating theme and subtext in the campaign. how much of it comes out, what's said behind closed doors. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> up next, a call to remove donald trump as fellow conservatives step up in his defense. and two of bill cosby's accusers join me after news his apparent admission he bought drugs to give women for sex. and rand paul's metaphor of choice -- slavery. >> we are paying taxes. if we tax you at 50% you are half slave, half free.
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late breaking word of a new contender for president of the united states. as former virginia governor jim gilmore announced his forthcoming announcement in august. we would be updating our fantasy
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draft except jim gilmore didn't make the draft. we only had 25 squares on the big draft board. we had the to draw the line somewhere. of 25 people who made the draft cut in january, a whopping 18 are now officially running for president. scott walker and john kasick are expected soon. now closing in on two dozen candidates but just one is managing to suck up the oxygen. the latest mr. donald trump when we return. try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
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as donald trump refuses to back away from his inflammatory comments about mexican immigrants his corporate partners are abandoning him. the pga will no longer have the grand slam at his resort outside los angeles. no word on whether the long-term
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deal may be affected. the announcement brings the number of businesses to cut ties with trump to at least nine including espn and nascar. he still has he is defenders in the political realm after ted cruz said he saluted trump for raising the issue of illegal immigration. rudy giuliani chimed in. >> he hit on the right point. i would have said it differently. i certainly think it doesn't reflect on donald trump as a man who is a charitable and good man. i'm sure he had a chance to reverse it. most of the people who come if are good people. >> rudy giuliani made the comments at trump's new golf course in the bronx not long before trump's presidential campaign released a lengthy statement defending, not
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reversing, his initial comments about mexican immigrants claiming the mexican government is forcing the most unwanted people into the united states and tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. i'm joined by hunter walker who got the chance to interview donald trump yesterday. how are you? >> not bad. how are you? >> trump has tethered himself to this position that some unspecified percentage, the majority perhaps are rapists,er carrying disease, criminals, the worst. and the other idea that the hex can government is calling people into a room saying you guys go north. he seems to be committed to the position. >> in both the epic three-page statement and his conversation with me yesterday, i would say donald trump went beyond doubling down. this was quadrupling down. he was saying some of the mention can immigrants who come in are criminals and drug runners and rapists. he was focused on the idea that the mexican government is, as he said, pushing the bad ones in.
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and there is some type of deliberate effort by the mexican government to send the criminal element here to the states. he did make it clear that some of the immigrants are, as he said, quote/unquote, fabulous. >> some of them are working on building the new trump hotel. this was inevitable. immigrant workers wary at trump hotel site. it describes undocumented workers who may be working for the trump hotel. folks need to understand how central the theme is, particularly in the conservative media of immigrants bringing crime, essentially of being bad actors. we have a horrible story out of san francisco where a man is alleged to have murdered a woman, was deported several times, was deported by i.c.e. that's a main stay of conservative paid i can't. the if you just consume that you get a sense that these people
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are disproportionately thugs and criminals. >> that's why it is not necessarily easy to dismiss donald trump. cnn did a poll last week. you see him in second place. you specifically see voters saying he's the candidate they trust behind jeb bush on immigration. what we are seeing there -- >> really? >> yeah. donald trump is the id of the republican party. you were talking about scott walker and others trying to speak to the base and also to speak to the general public. donald trump is going straight to the base. he's the unfiltered he's the unfiltered conservatism main line to the vein. it's resinating with people. >> talking about infectious diseases, that line struck he.
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this is a main stay. le when we covered the child migrant crisis at the border this is something people all over, main stream republican figurers were saying. these people are bringing disease. this is not a fringe view. >> the polls showing trump in second place, knocking others off the debate stage show illegal immigration is right behind the economy and health care as one of the issues that most concerns republican voter rs. he's resonating with the base. that's for sure. >> there is a fas fating sub story happening here. i have been of the belief that the establishment republican party isn't thrilled about trump's entrance into the race. reporting that gop donor nors against trump. one wants to block donald trump are from the debate stage. this is an attempt at a coordinated pooch to keep him out. top party donors are taking action with one calling for more civility. another seeking to block donald trump from the debate stage. i i can't think of a better story for donald trump than
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this. >> absolutely. it fits with his campaign narrative. claims to be worth $9 billion and said he won't be beholden to donors and he isn't. that looks good for him. >> did you get a sense there is a breaking point at which this hurts his personal bottom line enough? it is costing him money. it may cost him lots of money. do you think there is a breaking point? >> he said it hurt him a little bit. he specifically said it's harder to run for president than he realized. he did say to me literally my bottom line is large. >> huge even. >> yes. donald trump does nothing small. >> in his statement in response to espn and nascar he noted he had already taken deposits so now will have the deposit the and be able to charge for renting the facilities to other people. so he made off well. thank you, hunter walker. tomorrow, felipe calderon joins me to waeg in on donald trump's comments about the mexican government and
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>> since june of 2009 or so we say 2.4 million private sectors created but we have had 3.1 million people go on social security disability. we are creating the sense of economic dependence which, to me, is a form of modern 21st century slavery. >> with regard to the idea of whether or not you have a right to health care you have to realize what it implies. it is not an abstraction. i'm a physician. you have to right to come to my house and conscript me. you believe in slavery. once you imply a belief in a right to someone's services you are basically saying you believe in slavery. >> that last clip was from then freshman senator rand paul in 2011 comparing the president's health care law to slavery or the general principle of believing in a right to health care to slavery. he was at it in iowa last week, this time with taxes. >> you can have some government.
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we all need government. thomas payne said government is a thes evil. what did he mean? you have to give up some of your liberty. you have to pay taxes. i'm not against that. i'm for some government. i'm for paying some taxes. if we tax you at 100% then you've got 0% liberty. if we tax you at 50% you are half slave, half free. i would like to see you a little freer and a little more money in your community to create jobs. it's a debate we need to have. >> joining me now, david k. johnson, distinguished visiting lecturer are are from syracuse law. the person i turn to when i have questioned about taxes and whether my tax rate means i'm half slave, half tree. there is a long tradition and it's important to understand rand paul is channelling his
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father who was channelling a hundred years of rhetoric about particularly the income tax that's the bloodstream of the conservative movement for a long time. >> well, chris, the fifth circuit court of appeals for louisiana, texas and mississippi addressed this issue 60 years ago and said the claim that nx tax is a form of involuntary servitude is frivolous. there are few things a judge can say about a case that's say about a case that's stronger than frivolous meaning this is nonsense. take you are your drunken conversation back to the bar where it belongs. >> there is an idea that taxation is such an unbelievable burden on personal liberty which is what he's saying there. you are half slave, half free. to say we want a 15% flat tax or whatever so you are 15% slave, it take as certain about of cognitive disassociation to think this is tyranny and talk about tinkering with the policy. >> yes. chris, let's keep in mind we are
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free because of taxes. the civil uh war was won by the forth because it had the taxing and borrowing capacity. we won world war ii because of taxes. taxes are fundamental to our freedom. it's the first power we grant congress in the constitution. when you get arguments that this takes away freedom it's like, really, have you not thought it through carefully? it makes you free. by the way, chris. do you know how many people pay 30% or more of their income in federal income taxes is this 97,000 households in this country. the average rate is 33%. the average income is $2.7 million. i'm sorry. if you can't afford to give 33% of your taxes to the government so we can have an fbi, public health, a military, courts to adjudicate disputes then you apparently think money grows on
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trees in the backyard. >> freedom isn't free, as they say. >> yes. >> 97,000 households is interesting. one thing you hear a lot and it tells you about the composition of the donor class on the republican side and the democratic side in terms of the folks giving the money tend to be those 97,000 households. they are massively overrepresented. probably makes up nearly 100% of the folks that are significant donors. you hear sometimes this idea that 50% marginal rate is a tipping point. that once we creep up to 50% or near 50% once you add in the taxes you cross a threshold. there is no empirical evidence that that's the case. >> there is zero evidence that supports that. we had our greatest economic growth with higher tax rates and there is a reason. when you have very low tax rates for wealthy people their surplus income, what they don't need to live on, what they can build their wealth with grows not like
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a snowball but an avalance. instead of having money flowing through the economy where everybody is working,er they are buying goods and is services everyone is better off because we are all buying goods and services. the money concentrates in a few hands. they can't spend it, adequately invest it. it's damaging to the economy. >> if you spend time and i follow reporters who report on silicon valley. the craziness of the world in which you have such a glut of investable capital chasing every new idea because there is not enough to soak it up. people joke that in many senses it's partly because of the tax code. thank you very much. still to come, more shock waves from the bill cosby deposition.
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the second time in a week international negotiators have blown through the deadline for what could be a deal to curb iran's nuclear program. after the parties failed to reach a deal the original deadline the year they extended talks from today but some roadblocks remain. secretary of state john kerry and his team will stay in vienna at least until friday to try to get the job done. >> as secretary kerry said on sunday we have never been closer to reaching a final agreement than we are now. but there continue to be significant differences that remain. this is a view not just of the united states but the view of
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all of our p 5 plus one partners as well. that's an indication that the talks at least for now are worth continuing. >> joining me now, president of the national iranian american council who just returned on sunday. i want to lay out an argument that critics of the deal make which is basically the inertia is so strong to get a deal, they have tried to hard they would view not getting a deal as leverage. the iranians know at this point john kerry and the white house walked so far on the path they can't just say no and walk away from the table. what do you think of that? >> you have to remember, the iranians suffer from the exact same issue. they have been at the same negotiating table for exactly the same amount of time. if they walk away or don't get the deal it's a failure for them. the reason the chances of a deal
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actually is good in spite of delays is because both sides really do need it. it's not so the united states needs it more and the iranians and vice versa. both sides teed it. >> why though? what is driving -- let's flip it around then. why have the iranians stayed at the negotiating table as long as they have? >> from their perspective this is an important issue. if the issue hadn't been resolved they look at having a military confrontation with the united states. both were on a path because they were both pursuing coercive measures. they knew around 2012, early 2013 the most likely outcome of staying on the path would be a pill tear confrontation. that would serve no one. both would walk away a loserer. both sides actually have a common interest in getting this resolved.
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both sides were wise enough to realize they need to soflten tear position to get a deal. you don't get anything out of that unless you are you are willing to give something at the same time. >> this brings us to the brass tacks. if both sides have it in interest to get a deal why have we blown through the deadlines, wie aren't they there and what will another day -- what difference will it make? system the first reason is why it's taken long in general. they have been negotiating for a year and a half, two years now. they haven't talked for 35 years. there were problems. they hadn't resolved the issues. starting and getting progress took some time. the reason it is delayed is both sides are really negotiating ard. the flip side of the earlier argument is the critics want to
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have it both ways. they want to say kerry is so eager for a deal he's willing to give up anything. if he's so eager why is it taking so long and wie are so many deadlines being missed? >> can you imagine a scenario in this this falls apart in the next few days? >> it certainly isn't impossible. i would be surprised if that were to happen. they have come so close. they have resolved so many of the toughest issues. the issues that are remaining aren't as tough. the reason ter negotiating hard on them is both sides are under so hutch domestic pressure to drive a hard bargain. if they were not blowing through the deadlines they would be accused of having negotiated too softly and agreed to a deal too quickly. this is part of the dynamic of them trying to appease the domestic critics and trying to create a strong image that they are bargaining as hard as they could. >> you just got back from vienna and the talks will continue this week. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> next, 36 women accused bill cosby of sexual assault. new court documents show his
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great rates for great rides. a south carolina senate in a vote of 36-3 gave final approval to a bill to remove the confederate flag from the grounds of the state house. the house of representatives voted to send it to the floor for what's expected to be a contention debate. one ledge slay the tor, republican michael pitts has tied to slow it down and kill it. if the house passes the bill it will head to thicky haley desk. she called the flag to come down and urged the south carolina
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bill cosby has not yet responded through his attorneys or otherwise to documents in
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which cosby this his own words in a deposition admitted to getting seven prescriptions for quaaludes in the 1970s for the purpose of using them on women with woman he wanted to have sex. for this discussion, i will refer to it as sex. we don't know if it was consensual or not. that's what is disputed so we will use that word. in that same deposition, cosby doesn't answer whether he gave women the drug without their knowledge or against tear will. nbc news confirmed a total of 36 alleged victims. cosby was they ever charged and denied the allegations. nbc news contacted his representatives numerous times since the document was released and they have no comment as of now. but the 2005 deposition represents a first. cosby, in his own words, discussing the relationship between drugs and sex with women.
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the deposition related to a civil case against cosby brought by a plaintiff whom nbc news will not name. the case was dismissed. there was later a settlement. in one portion of the 2005 deposition cosby answers a question about the use of quaaludes. question, when you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind you would use them for young women you wanted to have sex with. answer, yes. in another portion, cosby is asked about a woman other than the plaintiff who claimed that at age 19 cosby had sex with her after he gave her quaaludes. after back and forth between the lawyers cosby says the following regarding that woman. answer, i met ms. -- in las vegas. she meets me backstage. i give her quaaludes. we then have sex. i do not -- i can't judge at this time what she knows about herself for 19 years, a passive personality. then there is the plaintiff. there is questioning about the plaintiff and her mother having at some point asking for an
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apology followed by cosby's suggestion he pay for her education if she maintained a certain grade paint average. so you're saying that -- would have to prove to you she got a 3.0 average wherever she went in order for you to pay for her education. answer, she would have to prove to me while at university are she was maintaining a 3.0. finally a deposition ended with specific questions about how cosby administered the pills to the plaintiff in question. question, so you broke one pill in half. where are the three. if you have one half and one whole one, that's two. are you saying you broke the whole one so you have three halves? answer, yes. question, why give her both halves? answer, they're long. we'll be back.
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(announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek. symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 34 mpg. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. joining me now barbara bowman and p.j. maston who have both accused cosby of sexual misconduct. barbara, just your reaction to the disclosure now of documents pt the first time we have had tangible evidence of what was going on behind the scenes and the legal machinations that were hidden from the public. >> elation, relief, hope for the future. it was definitely a view into the didactic are personality of bill cosby. his grooming and predatory practices. it's opening the doors to future education of young people who are not expecting us to cop at them. this the ten years it took me in particular to fight hard to have are my story heard and believed. in my darkest days i really
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never gave up. i knew some day, some way a brick would be shattered. this is it. yesterday was a fabulous day for me. victorious and a feeling of jubilation for me as well as i'm sure all the rest of us. >> p.j., you don't have to answer if you don't want to walk through it. i'm curious if there were thing miss the details of these revelations that were familiar to the experience you say you have had system absolutely, yes. when the uh news broke yesterday, i felt complete vindication not just for me, but for the 48 women that have come forward and the dozens of dozens that are still jane does. hopefully there are a lot of women that feel brave enough to come forward. we will take care of them.
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we'll get them therapy and take care and council them. >> there are many more. >> tell me what aspects were familiar to you. >> in regards to what? >> in terms of your experience with mr. cosby. >> i'm not sure what you mean. >> in terms of the encounter you had and the details and the m.o. he's alleged to have that appears the this documents, which aspects of it were similar to what you say you have experienced. >> i knew bill cosby for five years before the rape happened. is he invited me to dinner in chicago. he told me to meet him at the white hall hotel, which i did.
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i went upstairs and there were four other men in the room. they were drinking, watching sports. cosby asked if i wanted to have a cocktail. i wasn't much of a drinker. so said i would have a grand marnier. he sent the bellman for a bottle. i took two sips and the that's the last i remember until 4:00 in the morning. i woke up. i was bruised, battered, raped, naked. he was in the bed next to me. i slithered out of bed, got my clothes on. got in a cab, went home and took a shower, completely flipped out. i had to go to work at playboy. i told my bosses what he did to me. i was told bill cosby was hugh hefner's best friend and nobody would believe me and keep my mouth shut. for 30-something years i have
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kept my mouth shut. with brave women like barbara bowman and others i came forward. i feel vindicated along with the other ladies. >> did it occur to you or at what point did it occur to you that other women had experienced what you say you experienced? >> it occurred to me in 2005 when andrea constan filed her lawsuit for the same crime. when i found out that i was living in arizona with a baby and a toddler and minding my own business. i said, oh, my gosh. i'm not the only one. i will do what it takes to go on a mission to support this woman. i believe her. because it happened to me. that was the beginning of
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another long, silent ten years. but that was what was the key that unlocked the first door to many. and i just said, i'm not going to sit this silence anymore. i found her attorney, called and said, i'm only calling because i believe your client. anything i can do to help her, i will do that. my statute of limitations has run out. i am not into this for anything except to support your client. i became one of 13 jane does who were scheduled to testify in a court of law against bill cosby for the same allegations and when she asked me why do you want to remain a jane doe, the judge wants to know. because we were prepping for testimony and depositions. i said, i don't want to be a
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jane doe. i have been a jane doe and if i continue there is no reason for this to go on. i won't help anybody but myself. so it wasn't just about my healing. it was about everyone else's. so, you know, that journey was a long journey but really to this day, looking back a well worth it journey. no victory was ever won without a few battle scars in between. >> p.j., quickly. what would you like to see happen to mr. cosby? >> i would like to see his star taken off the hollywood walk of fame. i will like to see his statues taken off disney properties and i would like him held accountable to the rapes done to these women. joining me. >> thank you for having and supporting us. >> that's all in for us tonight.
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rachel maddow starts now. >> stunning interviews, chris, amazing. great work. >> thank you. >> thanks to you at home as well for joining us this hour. did you watch "zoom" when you were a kid? i grew up in california. i liked a bilingual program but it i competed with "zoom". if you watched it, you know this this zip code. >> 1350134. zoom! >> 021 -- send it to zoom! that archive footage from "zoom" which was basically made of stuff sent in by people who watched the show. that means the show is made up of stuff sent in by the kids who watched the show. zoom was awesome.


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